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Six Ways We Can Still Fight Prop 8 | Print |  E-mail
Written by Chris J. Magyar   
Wednesday, 05 November 2008

No matter what the Electoral College map says, California is no longer a blue state. Blue states do not ban gay marriage.   

No on Prop 8

And there’s no external blame to place here. Yes, money poured in from the rest of the country to support Proposition 8, but it was our voters, our citizens, who put the language into the Constitution that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. It was our fellow citizens who, by no slim margin, voted to eliminate rights.

What can those of us who believe in universal human rights do? Move to Massachusetts? It’s a nice thought, but I’m not sure the former colony is large enough to house 48 percent of us. But I lived in Colorado when it passed Amendment 2 in 1992, banning legislation designed to protect homosexuals as a minority. I was there when the country became outraged over it, and Barbra Streisand boycotted the state. I was there when the constitutional amendment was overturned. It can be done.

Here are six things we can do end this travesty. This should not be a time for depression, but a time for swift response, just as the anti-homosexual lobby was swift in its response to the Supreme Court’s decision that love should not be legislated.

1: Propose an amendment to the California Constitution defining marriage as being between any two non-related human beings.

Going on the offense works. By November of 2009, we can fight this again, and by wording the amendment in this way, the “slippery slope” argument that gay marriage opens the door to polygamy, incest and beastiality is cut off at the head. And this is a good time to ponder what the heck the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was doing pushing so hard for the passage of Proposition 8. If any church in the history of America knows first-hand the horror of persecution based on beliefs about marriage….

2: If step one is accomplished, propose an amendment to the California Constitution that future amendments must pass by a two-thirds majority vote.

It’s ridiculous that it only takes a simple majority to rewrite the fabric upon which our legal system is based, especially since it takes a two-thirds majority to pass such things as specific taxes. The U.S. Constitution puts such a barrier up, and it only makes sense that changes to fundamental rights or basic processes should be passed by a sweeping mandate, not a split decision.

3: If step one is not accomplished, propose an amendment to the California Constitution that all marriages will heretofore be declared domestic partnerships by the state.

One pernicious argument of the pro-8 lobby was that homosexuals already have the full rights and privileges of marriage available to them in domestic partnership laws. If that is the case, under the assumption that America long ago discarded such “separate but equal” rhetoric as abominable, the state should only recognize domestic partnerships, leaving the designation of marriage up to religion. This would be the only way to guarantee the First Amendment right of freedom of religion under Proposition 8. (Right now, religions that do recognize gay marriage—yes, plenty of them exist—have had that right diminished by the state.) Sure, that will mean that no California union, straight or gay, will afford protections for immigrants under federal law, but the pro-8 lobby should have thought of that before arguing that domestic partnerships are the same as marriage.

4: Pass a law to allow “T” on California drivers’ licenses for transgendered citizens.

A big loophole in Proposition 8 is how it will deal with transgendered people—either those who identify with both genders, or those born with both sets of sexual equipment. Marriage licenses will still include a box for gender, presumably, but having official state identification listing a partner as transgendered ('T' instead of 'M' or 'F') will throw a wrench in the works, and possibly lead to a court case that could get heard at the federal level. As it stands, there’s little chance of  U.S. Supreme Court reversal because marriage has long been held as a matter for the states to decide. However, if the highest court has to weigh in on the rights of the transgendered, there may be grounds to find the language of Prop 8 inadequate to providing civil rights.

5: Petition Commander-in-Chief Obama to end the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy of the armed forces.

California is just one of many reddish states to pass gay marriage bans, and while it is trying to be at the vanguard of gay civil rights, it’s easier to get there if the rest of the country isn’t so far behind in recognizing those rights. One of the biggest areas where homosexuality is still repressed—and one that reaches into the provincial communities and conservative states where gay marriage is most adamantly opposed—is the armed forces. I, personally, have yet to speak with an active duty soldier who has talked about “don’t ask, don’t tell” with anything but scorn. Getting President-elect Obama to push for reform in this area will go a long way toward determining whether or not he is the second coming of Abraham Lincoln, or just the Democratic Party’s version of Ronald Reagan.

6: Get married anyway.

Civil disobedience works. There are still faiths that recognize homosexual union. Sure, the state might issue a domestic partnership certificate, but that doesn’t mean a church or synagogue or mosque or outdoor chapel still couldn’t call it a wedding, with all the trappings. That doesn’t mean there can’t be rings, and bells, and cake. That doesn’t mean the partners can’t refer to themselves as married. And be sure to throw in a flower girl. See if she doesn’t go back to her elementary school talking about the wedding of mommy and mommy. See what the teachers teach about that. Show the pro-8 lobby that their irrational fears about gay marriage are going to come true, yes, whether they like it or not.

There were tears of joy and relief on election night, and many people talked about a dawn of a new era. Until California sheds this abhorrent, bigoted language from its constitution, however, it cannot truly be a part of that new era. Until we reverse this decision, we are just another red state, left in the dust of the train to tomorrow.

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Your No. 1 has violated rights of those related human beings and deem to be anti-consitutional. Period.
Peter , November 05, 2008
Pretty good
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I agree with almost everything. I've been saying that we need to start gathering signatures TOMORROW to repeal this in 2009, and I like the suggested wording that you use.

The only thing I would add to is the civil disobedience part. What you described is not exactly disobedience. Of course churches can marry people even if it's not recognized by the state; nothing wrong with that. No, I think we need something disruptive, and possibly slightly illegal. Sneaking into church services and then standing up during the sermon or mass and kissing in the pews would be a good one. That would be a great way to show them what "shoving our sexuality in their face" actually looks like. The more of these we do and the more disruption we cause, the more they will realize it's just not worth it to fight us.

I'm from NJ, but if I learn of an actual organizing to do something like this, I would be on the first plane out to Cali. Seriously, get it together.
John K. , November 05, 2008
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Proposal (1) would be opposed more strongly than Prop 8 was advocated, and would almost certainly fail if attempted anytime soon. (2) might be a good idea in general, but is too late to help us with this issue. (4), (5), and (6) are all fine, but (4) and (5) are different issues and (6) is pretty clearly ineffectual.

I strongly support (3), but I'm sure I'm in the minority. Considering it's clearly a direct frontal assault on the institution of (state-regulated) marriage, it would play directly into the opposition's "defense of marriage" rhetoric. I don't want the state regulating marriages, but it's pretty clear right now the majority in California does.
Dana , November 05, 2008
constitutional basis
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We're all created equal and deserve equal treatment under the law. Gay marriage is so far holding up in Massachusetts, not doing as well in Iowa, and we'll see how it fares in CT. For California we might look to other States and even countries like Canada for examples of how it passes and is upheld. I agree with the previous commenter on #1 that the constitutional argument is probably the best.
Paul Hood , November 05, 2008
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Proposals 1,4 & 6 are RIDICULOUS.
#2 is just that, #2. This is a democracy, majority rules. What if 2/3 isn't enough to justify yourself, then it'll be 4/5? Come on. Why does society have to put its' "stamp of approval" on your lifestyle? One doesn't have to be a "gay basher" to vote for Prop 8. Most people don't care what others do privately but don't expect everyone to approve of your lifestyle or sanction it.
Joe , November 05, 2008
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Joe:

Fuck you, ok? I'm tired of people like you. You bring out the worst in me. You seriously make me want to burn down churches (not that I ever would; as I said, not that kind of person, but you bring out the worst in me).
John K. , November 05, 2008
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:angry: Joe,
You're an idiot. None of us asked for your "stamp of approval" in the first place. Do you think we are the ones who put the damn proposition on the ballot? We did all we could to avoid your opinion because we get it every FUCKING day. Unfortunately, there are enough assholes like you that that's all we get...and that's why the fucking thing was left up to a bunch of biggots like you. It's not like we're asking you to kiss our asses, we just want what is RIGHT and EQUAL under the law. NOT THROUGH THE EYES OF A CHURCH...or a homophobic asshole like you, but under the law... which is completely separate from any spiritual belief. I am so sick and tired of people saying that homosexuality is not moral. IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE BIBLE, WHAT is it that deems two human beings loving each other as immoral? NOTHING. Your beliefs are founded on a principle that is supposed to be completely separate from the law. Your fucking beliefs are a SUBJECTIVE thing. No one--no gay or straight person is going to change your view that homosexuality is wrong. You WILL always have that. You didn't need a fucking constitutional ban to keep that. BUT THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE who actually did need a constitutional right in order to secure their rights and their ability to ACT on their beliefs did not get it. SO WHAT NOW? Now that Prop 8 has passed, how will your life be different? IT WON'T. Wish I could say the same for all of those same-sex couples who were hoping to one day be married.
Melissa Garcia , November 05, 2008
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Joe, are you free for a drink later? You seem like such a nice guy ...

Really, how can someone else being in a loving, committed relationship bother you that much?

Never mind. I just hope that you find something else to care about, like getting the chickens back in little cages.
Leigh-Anne , November 05, 2008
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Oops, comment meant for John K., not Joe.
Leigh-Anne , November 05, 2008
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There seems to be a misunderstanding, Leigh-Anne. I have no problem with other people's relationships. I have a BIG problem with other people having a problem with MY relationship, so much so that they vote to legally nullify it.

I'm sure I would be a nice guy to you, but like I said, people like Joe bring out the worst in me. I swear I don't know who I am today.
John K. , November 05, 2008
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Add protests outside random straight weddings to the list. They think we're a threat to marriage, then we won't disappoint them any longer.
John K. , November 05, 2008
Where\'s the tolerance for Joe\'s view?
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For all the talk from the liberals about how those that voted for Prop 8 have so much HATE and DISGUST. Well it seems the people that had a problem with Joe's comment have HATE and DISGUST to spare.....Burning down churches??! hmmmmmmmmm, where's your tolerance?! Maybe you should all move to Massachucets? Or perhaps the Netherlands? The simple fact is that there always has been and always will be homosexuality. It is as old as we are. I believe it is NOT natural nor is normal to be homosexual. Even if Gay marriage were sanctioned at the National level, which I think it could very well happen now that Obama is President it will not change this fact. I think deep down people know this to be true, just because someone "feels" something is right, does not make it right. Everybody will have to stand before their Maker and give account for his or herself and we all know what the Bible says about it......is it worth it?
I don't think so, but there is hope! For people wanting freedom from this contact Exodus International 888-264-0877. There is healing and freedom in Jesus! It's no too late!

Peace
hmmmmm , November 05, 2008
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Look, not everyone is in favor nor supportive of "gay marriage". Simple as that........not sure what the answer is but, your going to have to start accepting the fact that we DO NOT agree. Period. There are people like myself that just DO NOT believe that "Gayness" is like race nor a matter of human rights nor separation of Church and State issue either. What you do with your own body with another consenting adult in private is your business!!! I don't care about it and I don't want to hear about it and don't ask me to approve it!! This IS reality dude~
the sooner you accept that the better off we'll all be! I'm glad prop 8 passed, I voted for it and I will continue to support such legislation. Keep private issues private~
why i voted for prop 8 , November 06, 2008
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Get over it? Fuck you.

I can tell from the IP addresses listed that you are trying to separate your Jesus talk from your private issues talk. Well guess what dude? This isn't a theocracy. Go peddle your Jesus freedom in the privacy of your own church, and give me back the country I served for in the military. You know the free one? Full of people brave enough to stand up to frightened religious fanatics with nothing better to do than "support such legislation" that it takes to make everyone believe the same as them?

Nobody asked you to support gay marriage. you can stay in your house and hate "gayness" to your little shriveled hearts content. All we asked you to do was get the fuck out of our lives. And now you tell us to go into private ourselves?

Shit, what's the line? We're here, we're queer, you get over it.
This Anger Is Real , November 06, 2008
mind your own business
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I live abroad, so I didn't get to vote against Prop 8--which really kills me! I can't believe that Californians of all people, could possibly be so backwards! First of all, why can people just mind their own business!? If you have an issue with gay marriage, just don't hang out with gays, stay in your coop, don't attend gay marriage ceremonies! Who says that marriage has to be between a man and woman? What if my religion dictates that only same sex people should get married? You're directly infringing on my religious right!

I'm not gay, but I appreciate the fact that everyone has equal rights. I value and want to protect that right because who knows, one day I might have my rights violated, and would like to think that people have the sense to offer the same flexibility for me.

If gays can't get married, I say we should ban divorce for all Christians. If you think that gay marriage breaks down family values, then sorry, you're (a) forced to have kids once you're married, (b) can never divorce your spouse and (c) one spouse has to remain at home full-time to spend with kids. How about that for keeping family values?!
nini , November 06, 2008
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Congratulations to California voters, you have just upgraded to being progressive bigots versus pure bigots. On one hand, you were able to overcome The Bradley Effect, which YOU invented by the way, to vote for a colored man to become President.

Yet, as a tyrannical majority, you narrowly voted to alter the state constitution to confer second class citizenship upon gay couples. One step forward, one step backwards.

By injecting themselves into California politics, the Utah based Mormon Church with their Pyrrhic Prop 8 victory, have just guaranteed that a Mormon will never become President of the United States!
Besides, The Mormon church is not exactly in any position to pass judgement upon other people's marriages; especially while they have sects out there that embrace pedophilic polygamy.

During the Republican primaries, Mormon Mitt Romney did not win a single southern state because of religious discrimination; as some mainline protestant churches do not consider Mormons to be "real" Christians.

President-Elect Barack Obama also won very few counties in the Deep Antebellum South. However, there are plenty of progressive voters throughout the rest of the country to easily offset this socially retarded region.
A Mormon candidate on the other hand, will definitely not have progressives backing them anytime soon; thanks in part to their church's culturally invasive activities into California affairs.
RR , November 06, 2008
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I am very against prop 8. I lived in Wisconsin when they voted against an amendment that would have made gay marriage legal - and that sucked - but this is a new animal. Voters actually voting to take away rights! It really is questionable how people could make that decision... but i guess it comes down to a lack of education about the issue (like most things that keep us from progressing as a nation).

Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way...

In a country where we're supposed to have a separation of church and state, why are we voting on things like marriage? Doesn't that seem... wrong?

How about we make every marriage a "Civil Union" in the eyes of the constitution, and then everyone can go to their church to get "married" in the eyes of their god?
Lindsay , November 06, 2008
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hmmmmm:

You're damn right I don't have tolerance for intolerance! I have nothing but hate and disgust for you and Joe right now. You are hateful and disgusting in your treatment of your fellow human beings. There is a difference between my hate and your hate though: mine is in self-defense, and yours if offensive. I am proudly intolerant of you, because just as making exceptions to equal protection under the law defeats its purpose, so does tolerating intolerance. No one is telling you how to live your life. In that regard, I tolerate your bigoted beliefs. However, I WILL NOT TOLERATE your taking action AGAINST ME based on those beliefs.

This fight is not going away. It will get worse and worse. I wouldn't lose sleep at night if violence ensues, because you've called it upon yourselves. You don't get to get away with treating people like this.
John K. , November 06, 2008
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Only in your dreams will we get over it! We just narrowed the margin from 24% to 4% in 8 years. We're winning, and we will continue to fight you tooth and nail over this. You will have to continue to throw your money down the toilet in a futile attempt to stop us from gaining equality. History will frown upon you. We will prevail, "whether you like it or not."
John K. , November 06, 2008
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Why do yes on 8ers even care? We don't tell you who you can or can't marry, and we would never take away your rights to marry. Seriously, can't you just let us be and leave us alone? We can't help who we love....
KW , November 06, 2008
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Congrats California for being the most stupid bigots for voters I've ever seen. How dare you people impose on my rights as a human being to love whoever I goddamn wish to love. If I want to marry a woman because I love her, I'll marry her. I don't need or even want a bunch of hypocritical zealots who hide behind some silly out of touch book that I don't give a rats ass about to give me their approval. I deal with you people getting married, having or adopting children, and generally being happy. So if I want those things to you deny them because I'm "morally unclean" or whatever the hell "we" are to you. What gives you or anyone the right to deny what's rightfully mine?
CJ , November 06, 2008
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You want to know how we are bothered by gay relationships. Because they are wrong, disgusting, and a perversion of nature. You can all delude yourselves as much as you want, but that is what it is. I am proud that enough of my fellow Californians realized this and voted to protect marriage. Its true that it will probably be overturned, but that would serve as proof that the world is falling more and more into sin. Prop 8 proved to me that the world is not so dark as I thought it was.
Alec , November 06, 2008
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And fuck you too Alec. YOU'RE wrong, disgusting, and perverse. Enjoy your 4-point win, and we'll see you next election, fucking moron.
John K. , November 06, 2008
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Wait a minute. Who asked for your, or anyone's, "approval"? Is that what you think this is about?

You don't seek my approval on whether or not you have a gun in your house, or what religion you belong to, or what color you paint your house, or who you married to. And why should you? These are all private matters. But if I did care you would be protected by law and there's nothing I could do except rant about it. I'm oversimplifying matters here, but the bottom line is simple. Your life is not changed if I have the legal right to care for my partner in the hospital or make medical or financial decisions for her. Nor is your life changed if I have the right to inherit the house we've built together, the retirement funds we've worked hard for to support each other without fighting the state for them, and other legal issues too numerous to mention which you take for granted. Because you don't condone "gayness" I should be at your mercy?

You are completely missing the point. Gay marriage does not force you to accept my decision nor does it make it any less private. I'm pretty confident you are not going to get an invitation to a gay wedding, so please explain to me exactly how it impacts your life? Stop hiding behind your own damn fear and open up your eyes.
Kim , November 06, 2008
Defense of Marriage?
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Maybe the real thing to go after is the Defense of Marriage act at the federal level. The questions should be asked, what are we defending marriage against other than gay couples? True defense of marriage should by definition make divorce illegal. What could be more detrimental to the intsitution of marriage than divorce? One could also argue that infidelity and spousal abuse are detrimental to marriage. Therefore, all those who have participated in those activities along with divorce shojld be considered criminals and should be penalized for it. I wonder how many members of the House and Senate would be threatened by this action.
Sandi Timberlake , November 07, 2008
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"You seriously make me want to burn down churches (not that I ever would; as I said, not that kind of person"

WOW....scary

not so sure I believe you~
............... , November 07, 2008
i cried
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i am a straight woman living in los angeles...i cried when prop 8 passed!!! what can i do to help? i believe in rights for everyone, but i don't know how to make my voice heard!!
malia , November 07, 2008
Its not gods way
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God says marriage is between a man and a woman. His will has been upheld by his followers.
Gabe , November 08, 2008
ignorance
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ran in this weeks Good Times
I would never call people like last week's pro-prop 8 letter writer a "bigot" for expressing the viewpoint that gay marriage takes away freedom of speech and religion guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. I would freely call them "idiots" though because no matter how much evidence presented to contradict their poorly researched opinions they persist in seeing gay marriage as a personal threat. I associate this with idiocy, whereas bigotry would be based on some deeply held hatred which I would be careful to pass judgment on. I would much rather go one on one with a bigot than an "idiot."
What about my freedom to associate and my freedom to not have religious beliefs shoved down my throat, also guaranteed by the Bill of Rights? Only an idiot would justify Prop 8 because "children need a mother and father in the home" , when countless children from heterosexual unions defy this argument. I could go on an on about "idiot" --not "bigoted"-- arguments for prop 8. They are the ones that caused it to win, not bigots.


Dan Dickmeyer , November 16, 2008

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